UJHL??

[bigcoach]

I don't think the first video is on YouTube any longer of the hotel room......

[ajreis]

Now you are seeing what we have been ranting about BigCoach, it really does have some basis to it. There have to many cases of South Jersey and very few positive notes. Usually seems that it is someone looking to line their pockets.

Nice shot on counting the profits instead of doing my hockey homework. FYI- Our budget runs right around $150,000.00, probably more this year with the price of diesel. If you collect your 5k from each player you are at 125k, the only way you make it is from sponsors and the gate/concessions. Fortunately we get a decent gate as do most all of the teams in NorPac. We were going to be a little ahead after 3 rounds of playoffs but the $42,000.00 trip to Boston hurt us a little but it was worth every penny. Every member of the staff here does it for 1 reason, passion of the game. Not one person on staff collects a dime, we put every last cent back into the team. All of us have had paying jobs in hockey and we decided to put that to the side for the sake of trying to build a winning program. That is the only way that it will work in our market.

Another thing, I loved your comment on following the Canadian model with coaching. I felt you were spot on. In successful youth programs you will always find the top coaches working with the youngest groups, to many times here in the US it is the opposite.

Enough of me, I'm just sayin

[bigcoach]

I guess every league can have their bad boys. To venture into the UJHL, in the least, gets the good teams away from the trouble that was the "other" league. I know what you are saying about making the pennies and dimes add up. You seem to get the point that even though the league is not yet sanctioned, and may never be, if you truly do it for the players and not to line some deep pockets, then you are in it for the right reason. Last season the team I was with did NOT budget for making Nationals....that was a $30k hit. To make it up they raised fees to the max. for this season! Over $7000 ( with the ever popular fundraising angle )...hence one reason I am no longer there. The good guys, like your organization, will rise to the top, no matter what league your in. I am also trying on single, one man crusade, with my new team, to improve the youth model in our town... As well as 5 days of team practice, my players, in rotating groups of 6 players, are on the ice with me every Tuesday and Thursday working ( with no compensation for me or the players ) with the youth organization, in particular, the house league kids. It helps the image of the junior team, but more important, gives the youth kids and coaches a hand to improve!

[crosscheck]

May 30, 2008 6:27:18 GMT -5 bigcoach said:

I guess every league can have their bad boys. To venture into the UJHL, in the least, gets the good teams away from the trouble that was the "other" league. I know what you are saying about making the pennies and dimes add up. You seem to get the point that even though the league is not yet sanctioned, and may never be, if you truly do it for the players and not to line some deep pockets, then you are in it for the right reason. Last season the team I was with did NOT budget for making Nationals....that was a $30k hit. To make it up they raised fees to the max. for this season! Over $7000 ( with the ever popular fundraising angle )...hence one reason I am no longer there. The good guys, like your organization, will rise to the top, no matter what league your in. I am also trying on single, one man crusade, with my new team, to improve the youth model in our town... As well as 5 days of team practice, my players, in rotating groups of 6 players, are on the ice with me every Tuesday and Thursday working ( with no compensation for me or the players ) with the youth organization, in particular, the house league kids. It helps the image of the junior team, but more important, gives the youth kids and coaches a hand to improve!

NOTE:

Real reason for starting new team........ "Last season the team I was with did NOT budget for making Nationals....that was a $30k hit. To make it up they raised fees to the max. for this season! Over $7000 ( with the ever popular fundraising angle )...hence one reason I am no longer there."

Like always, I see a son involved here. Different team, different name, same ole story. This sucks.

[bigcoach]

Once again X-check you have shown your total lack of intelligence or even the ability to understand what is right in front of you....does the term " Get a Life" mean anything to you? Let me set the record straight.....There is NO son involved in hockey. The team from last season ( as you can read in black and white ) went to Nationals....hence USA Hockey sanctioned, NOT an independant team, that you loath so-o-o-o much. The fees and monies collected and therefore spent, were by team management, NOT the coaching staff. Therefore in conclusion my misguided friend, I left an organization that has the blessing of your allmighty sanctioned league...the ones you like to praise, and can do NO wrong....for a team and a league that wants to get it right!! Tier 3 is Tier 3....they charge to play. Are you saying that now the sanctioned leagues have bad guys within them because they raised the fees from $5000 to $7000? Do they not need league approval to raise fees that high? Anyway....I took the high road because I don't like to see kids and their parents robbed.......the un-sanctioned league is charging $5500...the sanctioned league is charging $7000 PLUS......did I write and explain this simple enough for even you to comprehend? If not I will draw pictures for you with stick figures of sanctioned team owners carrying bags of money into the bank, at the expense of families. If you think that a 30% fee raise is o.k.....then you have no problem with paying the price for gas these days!!!

[sparkman17]

Wow...this is kind of fun! I am usually the one involved in these sorts of arguments. It is quite different being an observer.
One thing is for sure. The people on this forum are passionate about hockey, and that can only be seen as a positive thing.
By the way.......GO WINGS!!!

[nathansdad]

Hi Bigcoach

You must forgive Crosscheck. He's himself today.

;D

[bigcoach]

Hey....can't we all just get along? I only get p****d when the facts are not addressed, and assumptions are made that are incorrect. If you follow back on this thread, several times I have asked Crosscheck to answer simple questions to items he raised. By ducking these, his credibility has taken a HUGE hit.....to keep poking a sharp stick into the conversation just wakes the bear!...Hey Sparky.....they can't let Sid have his way down low like that.....GO WINGS!! ( hey the Leafs must have got eliminated in the last series ) :-)

[crosscheck]

No questions left unanswered.? Does a team have the right to raise fees to cover expenses lost from the last season? I think so. If you don't, why don't you spend the $30,000 that the team lost last year so your kids won't be charged? Your arguments are ridiculous and are based on a probably disagreement. Thus you start a new team. You falsely claim T-3 Jr. A status, you state your league applied for sanctioning, you claim a "real" need for a local team, you don't even know who is in your league....... and you say my stance lacks credibility? Are you insane, drunk or just trying to make yourself look ridiculous? History indicates the problems with these types of leagues is 2 fold. 1. Lack of credibility, and we have already seen this group making completely false claims. 2. Lack of longevity, it usually doesn't take long for these to fall apart. History indicates 1-3 years is about average.

[bigcoach]

Raise fees to cover expenses? Why should this years players and parents pay for last years mistakes.......what do you mean " start a new team" My team has been around for 4 years!! Please quote me the charter that says if you ice a Junior "A" caliber team that charges to play....you cannot call yourself Tier 3......let's end this until you can show me that in writing. We will go on from there.....who made you the almighty to say who can and cannot call themselves Junior "A"....what division is your team??? Any part of history involved in your franchise? No skeletons hanging in your franchise or league's closets? How much was your increase this season? RAISE FEES 30% TO COVER LAST SEASON'S LOSSES!!! R U KIDDIN ME.....credability....not anywhere you are!

[crosscheck]

May 31, 2008 10:23:29 GMT -5 bigcoach said:

Raise fees to cover expenses? Why should this years players and parents pay for last years mistakes.......what do you mean " start a new team" My team has been around for 4 years!! Please quote me the charter that says if you ice a Junior "A" caliber team that charges to play....you cannot call yourself Tier 3......let's end this until you can show me that in writing. We will go on from there.....who made you the almighty to say who can and cannot call themselves Junior "A"....what division is your team??? Any part of history involved in your franchise? No skeletons hanging in your franchise or league's closets? How much was your increase this season? RAISE FEES 30% TO COVER LAST SEASON'S LOSSES!!! R U KIDDIN ME.....credability....not anywhere you are!

So you aren't willing to pay for it out of your own pocket but you rip the owner for not paying for it out of his own pocket. Very noble of you.

I do understand you completely now. You want to be called T-3 Jr. A because you were B last year. You think its OK to mislead people with this. You think that your new league is legit but don't even know who's playing in it. You think that it is OK that your league misled people claiming USA Sanctioning in process. Which we all found out was a complete misrepresentation of the truth. And in your only defense you attack me, asking me what team I represent. I can clearly see this group is very much like all the previous Indys. Here today, gone tomorrow.

[bigcoach]

O.K...Real slow....now please take notes X Check....I do not want to have repeat myself. Get your pen and paper and try and follow along......ready?

My team was not Junior "B" last year.
I was just the coach...I did NOT incurr the overage in budget....the overage was because we were good enough to make Nationals .... were you?
I know all the teams playing in my league...I have stated them here.
We have been invited by Mr Easdale and Mr Boxer to speak at the congress, to apply for sanctioning...( if you are there, grow a set and introduce yourself....I won't be hard to find. )
ALL the paperwork from ALL the team owners has been filed.
Now....how is asking you what team you are with off topic?....my laundry has been in full view for weeks on this thread.
Man.... I hope I did that slow enough for you to finally grasp.
WINGS ARE ONE AWAY!

[Houston]

Jun 1, 2008 11:46:36 GMT -5 bigcoach said:

O.K...Real slow..
We have been invited by Mr Easdale and Mr Boxer to speak at the congress, to apply for sanctioning...
ALL the paperwork from ALL the team owners has been filed.

I think you might have been briefed in error here.
And if you are going to name drop, at least learn how to spell the man's name.
His name is ESDALE

[bigcoach]

Houston....You do have a problem.....you actually took the time to login to write this??? You can do better than waste our time with this "stuff" .....I always thought name dropping was when you were trying to impress someone....not the case with you! Grow a set or watch from the bleachers!

[Marc Foster]

Jun 14, 2008 9:43:10 GMT -5 @darrenpuppa said:

Where is South Jersey and Jersey Pens?

Who owns these teams in UJHL? Andrew Haines?

OWNS!!! OWNS!!!

[bodangles8]

wow. ive been reading these posts now from bigcoach, sparky, and crosscheck. and i totally disagree with you bigcoach. you keep making it sound like this league is something where kids will really get a chance at d1 looks. give me a break. the facts are, that majority of players who go d1 come from ushl, nahl, opjhl, bchl, ejhl, and a few from ajhl. ive never heard of the ujhl until i saw it in these forums. and i never post, but i had to login just to give my words on the subject. your first few posts just kept repeating how your son got to ride on a premier bus and stay in a nice hotel. well as a hockey player...who the F**k cares. your there to play hockey, not think about whether the bus your on is nice. its all about being comfortable with what a team can do for your future in hockey not what your putting your ass on to get to a game. seriously bigcoach, you use this phrase alot, but "grow a set" and stop being the quintessential living the dream old timer on these forums boasting about a tier3 jr a league that holds not so much tradition for college placement.

[jrindians]

I know this thread is old, but now the league has started and has done fairly well, where are the indy bashers now?

I guess the UJHL is not going anywhere any time soon, this must be dissapointing to many of you. Just for everyone`s info, I`ll be a apart of the EXPANSION for 2009-2010 in the UJHL, along with several other teams.

If anyone has noticed, this league promotes players to all leagues, USHL, NAHL, Canadian JR major, D111 and D1 colleges, along with professional hockey. I think everyone, including the league realizes, it is not the same caliber as USHL or NAHL. They are not PRETENDING to be a top tier Jr A league. I applaud the efforts of Mr Simmons and others for concentrating on the development of these kids and giving them opportunities to move on and play in better leagues. I think that gives this league an identity for years to come.

As far as USA hockey goes, this organization reminds me of the mafia. Although I`ve had good dealings with them on a youth hockey level, they are inept and misguided when it comes to junior hockey. As a sanctioning body, they did a horrendous job with reassigning *league statuses* to every league that wanted to be called *Jr A*. A *tier 3* junior league is a glorified Junior B league. Untill they fix that and stop stealing so much money from teams and leagues, then they may actually become a legitimate governing body once again.

As far Independent leagues go, there are some good and some bad. The latest debacle was the Wisconsin Junior Hockey League, which had a terrible business model that should have sounded off alarms to EVERYONE. How do you only charge a $1600 fee and expect to survive?? Unless they were drawing 750-1,000 per game, this was an obvious recipe for disaster. This man was nothing but a crook. Should this reflect on the UJHL? Not in the least, there business model is realistic and achievable. They are wrapping up a year that was fairly successful, don`t judge them yet, allow them to work out the kinks and improve their product.

[bigcoach]

I think if anyone has watched any of the games from this league, they may be surprised at the talent level! Wooster and Jamestown have been averaging over 500 fans per game.....Wooster just set a record at 850...725 paid!! USA Hockey is bent on destroying themselves.....watch what times the games are for Nationals again this year. Tell me how many kids are getting scouted at 7am?
As far as moving players on....MANY schools have been inquiring to the league office as well as teams about players.....NAHL and OPJHL teams are also asking for contact info.

[juniorsisapain]

understand this right now. independent leagues are huge risks. Stay away from the IJHL, GMHL and other independent leagues. There was 0 scouting at the gmhl the kids hated the league and in the case of the oro medonte team, they didn't even have a locker room to get dressed in because the rink wanted nothing to do with them. Every player i know that has played in the IJHL says to stay the hell away and join other leagues. Hell the met south is better than that league. The gmhl is the laughing stock of canada. Yes they did become a legit league but that was only because they treated themselves as the minority and they were seen by parliment as the black slave boy getting the nuts kicked out of him by the big rich white man called hockey canada. There were teams in the gojhl jr c in canada who killed the innisfil lakers the second best team in that league. As far as the ujhl goes, for only having four kids go to ncaa CLUB programs thats not very heartwarming. I had a friend in the gmhl who called up Michigan State Coach Rick Comley and once he metioned the gmhl, Rick hung up the phone and never answered it again! So, like I said, its a much better idea to stay in a league THAT IS WELL KNOWN BY OLD TIME HOCKEY COACHES. I could give a nuts if its sanctioned by hockey canada or usa hockey, It must be a leauge that coaches look at because of its reputation and because of its longevity.

[juniorsisapain]

btw, i love the censorship option hahahaahaha. nuts! lol