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May 26, 2008 11:49:26 GMT -5
Post by crosscheck on May 26, 2008 11:49:26 GMT -5
I give you all the credit in the world for identifying yourself. The fact you have to jump boards to get your bashing in tells me you are at least passionate. The fact that you can break even on $5000 is a tribute to your equipment buying, etc. Let it be known, on your dime, that the UJHL has been invited to address the congress and is in the process of getting the owners to file papers, etc by weeks end. Chances are that no new leagues will be sanctioned, but at least the league is trying to do all the right things to obtain sanctioning. I am happy for the success of your league and team....good job. I enjoyed watching your teams play at Nationals, this year, when my team was not playing. Please go back and read the whole thread though...you CANNOT explore expansion if you are currently in probation because of obtaing Tier 3 Junior "A" status ( CSHL) you cannot sell a franchise while in probation ( CSHL ).... Being a successful GM, I would have thought you would have known that.....you must have just forgot, being so busy counting your profits......have a great season!! Again, BC your spreading false information. Teams can be sold, even while the league is in T-3 probation status. (Note the changes in the WSHL this Spring)This type of misinformation is what has doomed leagues like this in the past. It goes to credibility, and now you have blown it again. But the basic crux that you and I really disagree on is your feeling because your community built a rink that you deserve a Junior Team. Like AJ and the rest of us who really look at the big picture, I believe that the watered down Junior system is heading for trouble. What was once considered an elite level of play is being brought down by the number of teams who feel "entitled" to call themselves a "Junior Team." If your community has a handful of fine players, send them off to a legit Junior program. 28 at your tryout indicates to me that a handful is all you have and like normal, these types of teams are put in place to satisfy a few individuals (usually sons). AJ and most of us who want Junior Hockey to succeed nationwide will never be convinced that just because you built a rink that you deserve a Junior Team. You call it natural progression...... I call it Daddy gotta build a team for Junior.  |
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May 26, 2008 13:10:32 GMT -5
Post by Dad on May 26, 2008 13:10:32 GMT -5
WHAT??? Crossy, you mean to tell me 'Field of Dreams' is not the same as 'Rink of Dreams'? Now you want to poke a hole in BC's fantasy? There you go causing trouble again! LOL  Demanding accountability? You jest of course! And AJ, I didn't spank you...  I DON'T SPANK boys...;D I just smoothed out a couple of rough edges on a post! Have a good Mem Day |
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May 26, 2008 15:19:52 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 26, 2008 15:19:52 GMT -5
X-Check....you still have unanswered questions from up top to even begin to show creds.....you kidding me? Don't knock someone till you've walked in their shoes....glad I could provide a giggle though. I never once said that Junior hockey is not "watered down"...of course it is! Do we really need a CHA? Do we need a CSHL? Do we need more than two Tier 3 leagues? Are we even remotely following the Canadian example, or do they have it wrong too? I work on both sides of the border....40 years worth. Yeah....watered down is an understatement....hey "X"...don't look now but we agree on something!! :0 |
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May 26, 2008 17:09:37 GMT -5
Post by fangers on May 26, 2008 17:09:37 GMT -5
X-Check....you still have unanswered questions from up top to even begin to show creds.....you kidding me? Don't knock someone till you've walked in their shoes....glad I could provide a giggle though. I never once said that Junior hockey is not "watered down"...of course it is! Do we really need a CHA? Do we need a CSHL? Do we need more than two Tier 3 leagues? Are we even remotely following the Canadian example, or do they have it wrong too? I work on both sides of the border....40 years worth. Yeah....watered down is an understatement....hey "X"...don't look now but we agree on something!! :0 so, you agree that juniors is already watered down...yet you defend your part in further adding to that problem??? ...if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem... |
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May 27, 2008 8:15:15 GMT -5
Post by coachwalt on May 27, 2008 8:15:15 GMT -5
Once again the stone throwing, name calling, negative attitudes prevail. It amazes me how everyone has an opinion about any new team or league that wants to expand and grow our sport. I’m tired of hearing the “watered-down” excuse over the “GROWTH” statement of support we all should have if we really want our sport to expand and become stronger. What’s wrong with trying to offer MORE opportunities to young hockey players? BigCoach, good luck to your venture and God bless you guys for trying hard to grow our sport.........
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May 27, 2008 9:22:49 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 27, 2008 9:22:49 GMT -5
Thanks Coach "W" for the support...BUT they are correct. The talent is not up to the level it should be in Juniors right now. However...it is NOT all because we have too many leagues. That is one problem, to be sure. Fault can be pointed directly at youth organizations and the overall level of coaching. When you must be a level 4 to coach Juniors and only a level one to coach the littelest kids....we have this backwards!! I have a question for all the experts on this board....how does Canada and Europe do their coaching certifications? Do you guys think we have it right here in the US....just an opening for discussion.
I will continue to defend the right for players to play. Near home if possible. With more and more 15 and 16 year olds making top Junior leagues, thought should be given more on where they go to school.....not just ship them off for the sake of getting them up north or east!!
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May 27, 2008 9:44:41 GMT -5
Post by coachwalt on May 27, 2008 9:44:41 GMT -5
Hey, I'm just sensitive to the whole "watered-down" comment. I've heard it too long. I'm part of a program that supports growth and wants to move up to the T-3 A level but has hit so many roadblocks on the way. We explored the AEHL last year but instead went independent and played teams from the NAHL, OPJHL, EJ, AJ, CSHL etc and amassed a 41-19-3 record. We moved 12 players to the NCAA, 2 to the NAHL and 7 to solid T-3 A programs. I guess we were watering down junior hockey too. There are enough players and talent out there, we just need the coaches and infrastructure in place to expand and grow.
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May 27, 2008 10:02:01 GMT -5
Post by crosscheck on May 27, 2008 10:02:01 GMT -5
X-Check....you still have unanswered questions from up top to even begin to show creds.....you kidding me? Don't knock someone till you've walked in their shoes....glad I could provide a giggle though. I never once said that Junior hockey is not "watered down"...of course it is! Do we really need a CHA? Do we need a CSHL? Do we need more than two Tier 3 leagues? Are we even remotely following the Canadian example, or do they have it wrong too? I work on both sides of the border....40 years worth. Yeah....watered down is an understatement....hey "X"...don't look now but we agree on something!! :0 so, you agree that juniors is already watered down...yet you defend your part in further adding to that problem??? ...if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem... BINGO! |
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May 27, 2008 10:05:25 GMT -5
Post by crosscheck on May 27, 2008 10:05:25 GMT -5
Hey, I'm just sensitive to the whole "watered-down" comment. I've heard it too long. I'm part of a program that supports growth and wants to move up to the T-3 A level but has hit so many roadblocks on the way. We explored the AEHL last year but instead went independent and played teams from the NAHL, OPJHL, EJ, AJ, CSHL etc and amassed a 41-19-3 record. We moved 12 players to the NCAA, 2 to the NAHL and 7 to solid T-3 A programs. I guess we were watering down junior hockey too. There are enough players and talent out there, we just need the coaches and infrastructure in place to expand and grow. You forgot to mention many of your "victories" were against the MET and Empire. 12 players moved to NCAA, thats an impressive number. Please list them if you would. I looked on your website and couldn't find a list. By the way, if this team was "so successful", how come it didn't happen again? Just curious. |
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May 27, 2008 10:28:58 GMT -5
Post by mctopeka on May 27, 2008 10:28:58 GMT -5
Hey, I'm just sensitive to the whole "watered-down" comment. I've heard it too long. I'm part of a program that supports growth and wants to move up to the T-3 A level but has hit so many roadblocks on the way. We explored the AEHL last year but instead went independent and played teams from the NAHL, OPJHL, EJ, AJ, CSHL etc and amassed a 41-19-3 record. We moved 12 players to the NCAA, 2 to the NAHL and 7 to solid T-3 A programs. I guess we were watering down junior hockey too. There are enough players and talent out there, we just need the coaches and infrastructure in place to expand and grow. I just wanted to step in here and say that I was very impressed with the team Coach Agrusa and Coach Walt brought into Topeka to play our Roadrunners in a couple of exibition games last fall. We were one of the NAHL opponents they were referring to. The kids played with great skill and it was a challenge to find any holes in their game. They played a very tough and demanding schedule but I also think it made them better players. Thanks again for coming in and playing the Roadrunners, it made us a better team too. |
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May 27, 2008 10:29:48 GMT -5
Post by coachwalt on May 27, 2008 10:29:48 GMT -5
CrossCheck, here you go: Becker College: B. DeLoach, J. Vaillancourt, C. Vaillancourt, A, Conforte Framingham State College: C. Chaney, B. Lawson, B. Simms Nichols College: G. James, A. Hoffman, A. Lewis Lebanon Valley College: N. Shultz, J. Parrish You are right also, those games we played against the Met and Empire were indeed victories. As for continuing with the independent team, it is the basis of my earlier point. Lack of growth and expansion. Financially it is very hard to continue to go after higher compitition without a league to play in. That is why I have defended BigCoach. I've somewhat walked in his shoes. Crosscheck, you always have very good points and you are a very knowledgable hockey guy. Try to look at this issue from the other side and understand that there are people that actually mean well and want junior hockey to grow for the right reasons.  |
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May 27, 2008 11:25:18 GMT -5
Post by crosscheck on May 27, 2008 11:25:18 GMT -5
CrossCheck, here you go: Becker College: B. DeLoach, J. Vaillancourt, C. Vaillancourt, A, Conforte Framingham State College: C. Chaney, B. Lawson, B. Simms Nichols College: G. James, A. Hoffman, A. Lewis Lebanon Valley College: N. Shultz, J. Parrish You are right also, those games we played against the Met and Empire were indeed victories. As for continuing with the independent team, it is the basis of my earlier point. Lack of growth and expansion. Financially it is very hard to continue to go after higher compitition without a league to play in. That is why I have defended BigCoach. I've somewhat walked in his shoes. Crosscheck, you always have very good points and you are a very knowledgable hockey guy. Try to look at this issue from the other side and understand that there are people that actually mean well and want junior hockey to grow for the right reasons. Good list, I wish those young men success. And yes, being a part of a legit league would have probably saved your top team. But, lets look at reality, how many of those on that team were true local players? Most I have heard were recruited by Agrusa to play there. In other words, there really wasn't a need for that area to have that level of a team. That is my point. Yes, you did fine, won a few games, and moved kids on. Very nice, but that team could have been skating out of Puerto Rico and done the same thing. In other words, there wasn't a real need for that level a team there. Which is precisely why the team failed in the long run. No real need, no way to succeed. That's my point, but some feel the need to create their own, only to follow in the footsteps of your team Coach Walty. One season and gone..... Which is the norm for those types of teams. Good intentions or not, thats what happened and thats what usually happens. |
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May 27, 2008 13:43:36 GMT -5
Post by coachwalt on May 27, 2008 13:43:36 GMT -5
Crosscheck, You are right about everything except the unseen positive factor that the "imported" team had on the local kids in Hampton Roads and the Whaler program. The Hampton Roads CHA "B" team won the league and went to nationals with a roster of mostly Hampton Roads natives. From that team there are now Hampton Roads natives that have committed to several T-3 A teams for the upcoming season including Apple Core, Northern Mass and Walpole. Local kids from our "C" team were listed on the USHL scouting list. What I'm getting at is that the local talent is developing because of the imported players and the upper level of play (these kids train together). Another thing, the independent team did not "fail' of "fold". It was a one year experiment to try to get our program on the map and to gain acceptence into a T-3 A league. Obviously that part of the experiment failed but once again this is why I'm on my soap box about non-traditional markets expanding to the A level. Our program had 3 junior teams last year and will have 3 teams next year (all legit USA Hockey junior teams). We just shifted the alphabet back a letter when we didn't succeed at gaining an "A" team. I know without a shadow of a doubt that T-3 "A" would work in Hampton Roads, Virginia and in markets like Raleigh, Atlanta, Charleston, Space Coast, etc. Expansion and growth of junior hockey is needed in the Southeast and it is coming.
As I stated before I have respect for your insight and I can understand where you are coming from. This is just the world from my vantage point. You know what they say about opinions, everybody has one.......All the best to you.....
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May 27, 2008 14:30:34 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 27, 2008 14:30:34 GMT -5
Coach.... It took awhile for high caliber Junior hockey to creep into the Arizona and Texas markets also....I agree that the Southeast can and should be the next ones up to have a Junior "A" chance. With the MET expanding south....can the AJ be far behind? I think caution is the name of the game here. The MET expansion has caused enough turmoil for one season!! |
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May 27, 2008 23:01:02 GMT -5
Post by crosscheck on May 27, 2008 23:01:02 GMT -5
I read that website, especially the league stuff. And a pretty big dig at USA Hockey and Sanctioned leagues. Again, on one hand they are saying they are going to be Sanctioned and then on the other they make backhand remarks on their website about being Sanctioned. Do you people understand now what I'm talking about with these types?  |
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May 28, 2008 6:59:35 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 28, 2008 6:59:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure what league D.P has the link to...but it is not the United Junior Hockey League. I'm not even sure what the UEHL is?  Change one letter and you have a new league!! UJHL not UEHL Has anyone else heard of the UEHL? Hey....we can create a new thread and bash the crap out of the new league!! |
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May 28, 2008 7:34:45 GMT -5
Post by nathansdad on May 28, 2008 7:34:45 GMT -5
Confusion abounds. Here's a link to the Wikipedia entry on UJHL: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Junior_Hockey_LeagueSome relevant info copied and pasted from that page: The United Junior Hockey League is a Junior "A" ice hockey league scheduled to begin play in the 2008-09 season. The season is planned to be 55 games long, with two showcase tournaments to be held in addition to the league's playoffs.
Five teams — Wooster, Delaware, South Jersey, North Jersey and Penn — will transfer into the league from the America East Hockey League.Bigcoach, is this the UJHL self-description? According to the Wikipedia page, it was last updated on April 30, 2008, by someone with the Wikipedia username "Skrudafan1". |
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May 28, 2008 9:22:53 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 28, 2008 9:22:53 GMT -5
That is the information for the UJHL......anyone know what that other leahue is all about? |
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May 28, 2008 9:25:52 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 28, 2008 9:25:52 GMT -5
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May 28, 2008 9:58:56 GMT -5
Post by nathansdad on May 28, 2008 9:58:56 GMT -5
That is the information for the UJHL......anyone know what that other leahue is all about? Hi Again The Delaware Thunder home page - delthunder.homestead.com/Says that the team is now part of the UJHL, with a big logo for the league in the middle of their page. The logo image includes the following text: www.unitedeasthockeyleague.comMy conclusion is that UEHL and UJHL are, were, or were thought by the Delaware Thunder people, to be the same thing. Any other interpretation? |
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May 28, 2008 10:23:54 GMT -5
Post by mctopeka on May 28, 2008 10:23:54 GMT -5
My thought is they switched leagues, from United East to United Junior, and just over looked that on their web page. I'm sure if they would tell the person running that web page it was incorrect it will be changed. I'm sure it was just an oversight that's all.
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May 28, 2008 12:24:52 GMT -5
Post by nathansdad on May 28, 2008 12:24:52 GMT -5
Might be, but the text for the UEHL site's address is part of the UJHL logo. That doesn't make much sense if UEHL and UJHL are unrelated.
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May 28, 2008 12:31:46 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 28, 2008 12:31:46 GMT -5
The Thunder is not a part of the topic of this thread...the UJHL. I still have no idea what the heck the UEHL even is....I guess you can put whatever logo you wish on your website....who is there to police you. I am not even sure the Thunder has an opearting team at this point.....has anyone heard of a tryout taking place, because I haven't!! Has there been a J.S. sighting?
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May 28, 2008 13:14:21 GMT -5
Post by nathansdad on May 28, 2008 13:14:21 GMT -5
Hi Again Bigcoach A link to the Wikipedia article on UJHL, which I put into a post I made on this thread earlier today, is here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Junior_Hockey_LeagueSome of the content of the Wikipedia page, which I copied and pasted into that same post, is The United Junior Hockey League is a Junior "A" ice hockey league scheduled to begin play in the 2008-09 season. The season is planned to be 55 games long, with two showcase tournaments to be held in addition to the league's playoffs.
Five teams — Wooster, Delaware, South Jersey, North Jersey and Penn — will transfer into the league from the America East Hockey League.It includes Delaware among the league's teams that are transferring from AEHL to UJHL. I asked you if that was the UHJL self-description, and you replied that it is. Is it, or isn't it? If it is, UJHL includes or included Delaware Thunder on April 30, and Delaware Thunder's website doesn't misrepresent anything by saying that they are (or were) part of it. What's going on? |
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May 28, 2008 15:57:14 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 28, 2008 15:57:14 GMT -5
I can only assume that the names of the teams transferring from the AEHL included AT ONE TIME Delaware...I really could not tell you.....but with, you know who, at the controls of that franchise, they were, to the best of my knowledge, NOT going to be a part of the UJHL for the 2008-2009 season.
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May 28, 2008 17:57:22 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 28, 2008 17:57:22 GMT -5
Jamestown, South Jersey, Jersey Pens, Wooster Ohio, Findlay Ohio, Penn Enforcers...one other Penn based team has applied...
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May 29, 2008 6:57:03 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 29, 2008 6:57:03 GMT -5
Darren....You need to fill this Canadian boy in on this!! I only know that they play out of Hollydell Arena and have a new management staff. They completed the season in the AEHL last year and had no problems....I do NOT know any history about them...do tell!!
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May 29, 2008 7:03:44 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 29, 2008 7:03:44 GMT -5
I checked out the South Jersey hockey video on YouTube..it says that the team was in the FGCU league ( Florida Gulf Coast ACHA ) I don't think it is the same team.....but I do not know for sure. Man...those kids in the video were out of control!!
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May 29, 2008 7:38:23 GMT -5
Post by coachwalt on May 29, 2008 7:38:23 GMT -5
BC, those kids were indeed in the AEHL (see clip from Marc's blog below):
Monday, October 01, 2007
Monday News
Wow... talk about players behaving badly. The two clips below are from the South Jersey Raptors of the AEHL. Six minutes into the first video you will see players consuming alcohol, and a player jumping out a hotel bedroom, apparently drunk, then vandalizing a vehicle in the parking lot. Early in the second video you see a player drop his shorts before jumping into a pool from an adjacent waterfall. Warning up front in case you're at the office or near small children - both clips have no shortage of foul language.
I don't know what's more stupid: the acts committed in the videos, or that the players themselves recorded these videos and loaded them on YouTube. I've warned before about Myspace and FaceBook, and players needing to be smart about what goes on there lest a scout sees it. This obviously goes for YouTube as well. I guess Forrest Gump's mama got it right.
It doesn't matter to me that these events happened within a league that is outside of USA Hockey. It happened within hockey and thus gives the game a black eye. Road trips don't give you carte blanche to misbehave.
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May 29, 2008 8:31:49 GMT -5
Post by bigcoach on May 29, 2008 8:31:49 GMT -5
WOW is right...... Does anyone know what the outcome was? In or out of USA Hockey is not the point...it is the fact that these kids are just plain stupid! I have witnessed a few bench clearing brawls in my day, but the kid on the glass is too much......think they learned that from some old NHL footage? I think Tie Domi comes to mind as well as the Don Cherry Bruins....kids learn the wrong things also.....where the heck was the staff??
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Demanding accountability? You jest of course!
I DON'T SPANK boys...;D I just smoothed out a couple of rough edges on a post! 
Change one letter and you have a new league!! UJHL not UEHL Has anyone else heard of the UEHL? Hey....we can create a new thread and bash the crap out of the new league!!