Rules questions

[old hippy]

Since I am supposed to be the know-it-all in my small circle of friends ( as opposed to the reigning king of KIA, aka Marc, lol), I find myself in a quandary when it comes to some of the rules.
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

1) Can someone please explain the new icing regs. We have dubbed it "semi-touch icing" and are going slowly insane trying to figure it out.

2) Fighting under 5 minutes-- auto suspension or not? How long?

3) Is a game misconduct an automatic suspension? How long?

4) Goalie fights-- auto suspension or not?


On #'s 2,3,and 4, I was under the impression that the answers were all "yes" However, situations this season have left me wondering. I realize that in some situations a GM may be announced when it is merely a game ejection, or even a 10 minute infraction. I also take into account that there may be errors made when inputting info into Pointstreak. Basically, what I am asking is what is the main consideration when handing down a suspension?
Thank you.

( Incidentally, I am talking about NAHL games)

[vahockey]

1) Can someone please explain the new icing regs. We have dubbed it "semi-touch icing" and are going slowly insane trying to figure it out.

- I'm not sure it has an appropriate name, but the linesmen are supposed to make a judgment, no later than the player(s) being at the top of the circles, as to whom is going to reach the puck first -- attacker or defender. If defender, then the whistle blows when the puck crosses goal line. No more touch icing as you've noticed. If liney's judgment is that the attacker will get there first, then he waves the icing. It's a more liberal standard on icing, which seems to be the direction the upper leagues are going, but it took away the "touch" aspect and gave a lot more judgment to the linesmen. If you see a power play situation, where PP team has a player hanging on the far blue line, and PP defenseman fires puck six feet in the air to him, the attacker is already in a position to beat the defenders to the puck, so it would get waved. This is only USHL and NAHL, I think

(2) Fighting under 5mins
- Always a game misconduct unless a person is "instigated upon." If you jump me with 2:00 left in the game I can defend myself and not get suspended. But if we just drop the gloves with 2:00 left we both get a Game Misconduct.

(3) Is a game misconduct an automatic suspension? How long?
- Game Misconduct always carries a suspension of some sort. Most GMs are one-game suspensions but leagues can put in supplemental, sequential GM rules (i.e. extra game suspension for your second, third, etc., offense) so no hard and fast rule other tham GMs are suspending penalties.

(4) Goalie fights-- auto suspension or not?
- Any secondary fight is a game misconduct, or any major penalty that occurs after the first major penalty/penalties have already happened during an altercation. Rarely is the goalie fight the first fight. Also a minor penalty for leaving the crease, regardless if goalie fights or not. Keep in mind sometimes two fights can break out simultaneously, therefore might not be a secondary altercation.

I would imagine if a goalie just charged down the ice and jumped the other goalie he would get a minor for leaving crease, a minor for playing beyond the red line, minor for instigating and EJ for instigating, in addition to major for fisticuffs, while the other goalie would probably stay in the game.

The misconduct or EJ often gets announced incorrectly as game misconduct, especially when assessed with fewer than 10 mins in the game or period. They see they player leaving the ice surface and think "game misconduct" immediately. The person in the scorekeeper's box is usually not the person with the microphone, so sometimes communication doesn't happen or breaks down.

[fangers]

Question:

What is the rule regarding the number of games midget-eligible players can play/be rostered for before losing midget eligibility for US nationals? Is there any difference between goalies/skaters?

Thanks.

[stlfan]

oldhippy said:

Since I am supposed to be the know-it-all in my small circle of friends ( as opposed to the reigning king of KIA, aka Marc, lol), I find myself in a quandary when it comes to some of the rules.
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

1) Can someone please explain the new icing regs. We have dubbed it "semi-touch icing" and are going slowly insane trying to figure it out.

2) Fighting under 5 minutes-- auto suspension or not? How long?

3) Is a game misconduct an automatic suspension? How long?

4) Goalie fights-- auto suspension or not?


On #'s 2,3,and 4, I was under the impression that the answers were all "yes" However, situations this season have left me wondering. I realize that in some situations a GM may be announced when it is merely a game ejection, or even a 10 minute infraction. I also take into account that there may be errors made when inputting info into Pointstreak. Basically, what I am asking is what is the main consideration when handing down a suspension?
Thank you.

( Incidentally, I am talking about NAHL games)

I thought the icing call was something that was being tried in the USHL. I haven't seen it in the CSHL. Basically, if the defenseman is going the puck by the time he reaches the hash marks, it is blown down. If the offensive player is clearly going to get the puck at the hash marks, it is waved off. If it's a 50/50, I think they let it play and see.

Fighting under 5 in the CSHL is an automatic 2 game suspension.

A Game Misconduct is an automatic Game Misconduct. More can be added or it can be appealed, but usually it is automatic. An EJ doesn't include a game, it is just for the remainder of that particular game.

Goalie fights will usually get you more because they left the crease to join an altercation already in process.

[stlfan]

fangers said:

Question:

What is the rule regarding the number of games midget-eligible players can play/be rostered for before losing midget eligibility for US nationals? Is there any difference between goalies/skaters?

Thanks.

It's not the number of games, it's the date. If they are not on a midget roster by midnight Dec. 31st, then they can not be added. If they are dropped from a Junior roster after that date, they can move to ANY other Junior team. However, there are other dates, not sure what they are, that only allows them to move down the Junior chain. I think it is sometime in early February when the rosters are frozen.

[fangers]

stlfan said:

fangers said:

Question:

What is the rule regarding the number of games midget-eligible players can play/be rostered for before losing midget eligibility for US nationals? Is there any difference between goalies/skaters?

Thanks.

It's not the number of games, it's the date. If they are not on a midget roster by midnight Dec. 31st, then they can not be added. If they are dropped from a Junior roster after that date, they can move to ANY other Junior team. However, there are other dates, not sure what they are, that only allows them to move down the Junior chain. I think it is sometime in early February when the rosters are frozen.

Thanks. I had heard something about once a player rostered for 10 games they lose eligibility for midget nationals. Guess I should clarify a little bit - player is currently on a midget roster, being called to fill in for a couple games (USHL) - not sure how many - was curious what the rules were.

[vahockey]

fangers said:

Question:

What is the rule regarding the number of games midget-eligible players can play/be rostered for before losing midget eligibility for US nationals? Is there any difference between goalies/skaters?

Thanks.

You have to be rostered on the youth/midget team by Dec. 31 to be eligible for youth nationals.

You have to play 10 games for your youth team.

You cannot play for a Junior team after Dec. 31.

[vahockey]

[/quote]I thought the icing call was something that was being tried in the USHL. I haven't seen it in the CSHL. Basically, if the defenseman is going the puck by the time he reaches the hash marks, it is blown down. If the offensive player is clearly going to get the puck at the hash marks, it is waved off. If it's a 50/50, I think they let it play and see.[/quote]

- Touch icing is definitely gone - if puck crosses the goal line it's icing unless the linesman has already waived off. The onus for this rule change was to eliminate the foot races, but not go all the way to automatic icing.

[stlfan]

vahockey said:

I thought the icing call was something that was being tried in the USHL. I haven't seen it in the CSHL. Basically, if the defenseman is going the puck by the time he reaches the hash marks, it is blown down. If the offensive player is clearly going to get the puck at the hash marks, it is waved off. If it's a 50/50, I think they let it play and see.[/quote]

- Touch icing is definitely gone - if puck crosses the goal line it's icing unless the linesman has already waived off. The onus for this rule change was to eliminate the foot races, but not go all the way to automatic icing.[/quote]

It's not gone from the CSHL.

[vahockey]

The new icing is only in NAHL and USHL, which I wrote in my first reply. USHL and NAHL only. Could be other leagues, but I doubt it. EJ, AJ and CSHL are definitely not doing it. Haven's seen other leagues.

[stlfan]

vahockey said:

The new icing is only in NAHL and USHL, which I wrote in my first reply. USHL and NAHL only. Could be other leagues, but I doubt it. EJ, AJ and CSHL are definitely not doing it. Haven's seen other leagues.

Yeah, I see that now. It was a long response so I only skimmed over it. ;D